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PNA-X Power I/O measurements in pulsed operation?
Posted: May 7, 2012 4:37 PM
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I would like to use the N5242A analogue inputs available through the Power I/O connector for PAE measurements in pulsed operation on high-power amplifiers, but I haven't been able to find any discussion of their relevant characteristics (e.g. settling time, aperture delay, system timing, etc.) in this mode of operation. AN 1408-16 (PAE Measurements) doesn't mention pulsed operation, and AN 1408-21 (Pulsed Operation) doesn't mention the analogue inputs.

Any insight out there? Thanks!
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Re: PNA-X Power I/O measurements in pulsed operation?
Posted: May 7, 2012 4:43 PM   in response to: Qux in response to: Qux
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They are easy to use with pulse widths wide than 100 usec. Using smaller than that requires some care. Newer firmware allows their use down to about 20 usec (need to fiddle with the default registry setting).

For faster pulse times, you can use the rear-panel IF inputs as DC meters as well. In this mode, you can get down to about 50 nsec.
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Re: PNA-X Power I/O measurements in pulsed operation?
Posted: May 7, 2012 4:59 PM   in response to: Dr_joel in response to: Dr_joel
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Thanks for the quick response! I hadn't thought about the external IF inputs. Although I'm working with 50us pulse widths at the moment, I'm soon going to have to start working below 1us, so I'll design my current-measurement circuitry to drive a low-voltage 50 ohm input.
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Re: PNA-X Power I/O measurements in pulsed operation?
Posted: May 9, 2012 10:55 PM   in response to: Qux in response to: Qux
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my circuit was a very simple 10Kohm series resistor! Max input is about 0.1V. For combined DC and RF measuremnts, you need to use 2 channels. One normal, and the other with the IF freq set to 0 Hz (its a remote command).
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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 10:25 AM   in response to: Dr_joel in response to: Dr_joel
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I haven't found any way to offset the AI1/2 sampling point from the other receiver sampling times. Is this even possible? What are the "default registry settings" you were talking about? Thanks!
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Re: PNA-X Power I/O measurements in pulsed operation?
Posted: Jun 7, 2012 3:09 PM   in response to: Qux in response to: Qux
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You'll have to wait till next week when neils returns. You don't use AI1 and AI2 when you are using rear panel IF inputs, just to be clear. And you probably need the latest PNA code for the registry entry to be recongized...

here some notes he sent to me on IF inputs:
1) Create your basic wideband pulsed RF S parameter measurements in Channel 1.
2) Copy channel 1 to channel 2.
3) In channel 2 change the IF frequency to 0.0 (Remote command: Sens:IF:Freq:Auto off; Sens:IF:Freq 0; use the GP-IB console to send them directly from the PNA), and change the IF mux to measure the external inputs. Change the trace parameter, and add new parameters to measure the receivers that you are going to hook up to. You will need to change the format to linear magnitude Actually, since the input will be a receiver (like D,1) you have to use an equation like V1=55.1*sqrt(pow(re(D_1),2)+pow(im(D_1),2)); here 55.1 is the offset needed to get 5 volts when I put in 5 volts. For a receiver such as D (or any other) the lin-mag format ill display power in watts or mwatts, so it is not really lin-mag voltage. The sqrt function computes lin-mag properly, and you can use the V1=…. To set the trace display title to V1
4) At this point you are measuring the DC values of the rear panel input with the exact same timing relative to the pulses as channel 1, but not at the exact same time.
5) You need to hook up the rear panel inputs to your DC test points.
a. The maximum voltage in the rear is +/- 0.1 VDC, so you will have to create some sort of resistive scaling network and a calibration for it. The input schematic is shown below. You can just use an RF pad or series resistor to scale down the voltage. The 55.1 is the scaling needed above in my case; I used a series 10k resistor and a shunt 100 ohm, but I don’t think the shunt 100 ohm is needed in fact.
b. Hook up a ground (ground the input) and measure the offset; hook up a known voltage and get a scaling factor.
c. Use the equation editor to apply the cal factors. In my case, the offset was very small so I ignored it.
6) The use equation editor again to create the PAE measurement.

And some notes on using Ai1 and Ai2:
With NO registry tweak, we take 4 measurements per ADC, and average them. The minimum pulse width is 17 uS.

If you change the averaging to 1 via the registry, the minimum pulse width becomes 10 uS.

The above times are with a 5MHz IFBW.

If you need a narrower bandwidth, that increases the required pulse width.


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